Civic Type R vs. Spoon

[SplinterLinked]

jeff....quick questions (actually it wont be quick)...but my buddy has GSR block...thats it...and he wants to start building it all motor...he has around 6-8 grand to dump into the engine....

what would you suggest him to do..and what kind of numbers will he be looking at?

[CorporalJeff]

6~8 grand? hmmm...

-toda spec b's w/ valve springs and retainer ($1300~1500) *OR* jun stage 2 or even skunk2.
-pnp and whole nine head ($1000)
-je/wiseco/ctr pistons (300~500)
-eagle rods ($300)
-hondata stage 2 ($500) *OR* have someone make you a chipped ecu for your car spec (i can do that) ($300)
-homemade cai ($30~50)
-310cc injectors
-skunk2 intake manifold ($300)
-spoon throttlebody ($550)
-skunk2/aem cam gears ($200)
-k.o.s header (best bang for buck) ($395)
-custom exhaust (2.5") ($300~500)
-lighten flywheel ($300~500)
-any stage 2 clutch (streetable and good enough for all motor purpose) ($250~300)

I prolly forgot to list something but w/ this setup..you prolly looking @ good 190~210whp. not too shabby for a car that's still street friendly (idle's not all messed up).

Jeff-

[SplinterLinked]

cool! i just cut and pasted that into an email for him...thanks!

so you do your own ECU's and headers??

[CorporalJeff]

i have the program and rom to burn chips and can also chipped your obd 0/1 ecu's. And yes, me and couple of my buddies started up a company called K.O.S we have a manufacturer (big name but can't tell ya who) make header for us. On the prototype, we nailed 14whp and 8 torque off a stock b18c (jdm type-r) motor. And on the dyno up against spoon header. We got 4whp more than spoon. Not bad for a header that cost as much as fake 4-1 huh?

Jeff-

[SplinterLinked]

man..thats some good numbers...i will let him know!

[jdm4u]

Alright, i was talking to one of my boys and he suggested a B20 block, a ITR head and Ls gearbox, i think hes a dork but he says i would be hitting 13's flat all motor! What do u guys think?? I am curious about this tall tale...:o

[B( * Y * )BIES]

check my post a few posts back, the one that's kinda long...

Yes, a B20 build up would be powerful and get you in the 13's - depending on your driving skills... each person is different.

[CorporalJeff]

Originally posted by jdm4u
Alright, i was talking to one of my boys and he suggested a B20 block, a ITR head and Ls gearbox, i think hes a dork but he says i would be hitting 13's flat all motor! What do u guys think?? I am curious about this tall tale...:o

sure..b20/vtec is a great build...but only if you know someone that can do it real good or else the motor is gonna shit on you all day.

and uh..LS tranny? WTF? it's all motor..you want the shortest gearing there is...eithe b16's are too short, so go w/ gsr or type-r (if you got money). and no need for itr head..just get a b16 head and build that baby up. it'll work just fine (if not better)

Jeff-

[jdm4u]

Alright, I was just talking to my mom and I get my hatch in about 2 & 1/2 weeks with about $2000-$3000 to spend. Wondering what I should first??? Garage Kwai(Import shop) by where I live says they can do a full B16A2 for like $3900 including labor and all that shit. So wat should I first, my body work, paint job, interior or engine mods. So should I save my cash for my engine or what?? What do you guys think????

[CorporalJeff]

damn..all this post and you don't even have a car?

but seriously..3900 for a b16a2 swap? damn..they sure know how to rob people cuz for 3900..i better get a gsr swap

Jeff-

[cbs_24]

I'm pretty sure in the very beginning of this post you said you already had a b16a engine in your "hatch", was this whole post just a bunch of BS.

[SplinterLinked]

i dont think he ever said he had it....just telling us that was going to be his setup....

but for real....3900 for a B16 swap...no way!

[cbs_24]

shouldn't the b16 run about $2400?:con2:

[SplinterLinked]

installed MAX 3k!

[cbs_24]

that sounds pretty fishy to me, if i was you i would keep looking:td: